Poimin tähän avainkohtia Beidlerin kirjoituksesta virkistämään ajatuksiamme kysymyksestä historiallisesta Adamista, jota Junkkaalan Eero ei suotta visaiseksi kutsu!
Beidler kertoo ajattelunsa kehittymisestä
"My journey from young-earth creationism and its associated treatment of Genesis 1-11 as historical narrative akin to modern-day journalistic accounts began nearly a decade ago when I began to conduct personal research on biblical and scientific evidences for the old-earth creationist paradigm."
Kitkaa tulkitsijoiden kanssa
"the biblical texts I was reading were written to a people with whom I had very little in common culturally; thus, I found myself increasingly uncomfortable with the lengths to which some Christians went to find concordance between biblical descriptions of creation and science."
John Waltanin vaikutus
"It was at this time that I was introduced to the writings of Old Testament scholar John Walton from Wheaton College.His NIV Application Commentary on Genesis (Zondervan, 2001), along with his other works on ancient Hebrew thought and its shared cognitive environment with another ancient Near Eastern cultures (to include the assumption of a three-tiered cosmos) had a profound impact on me."
"While Walton’s works helped me discover deeper purpose and meaning in Genesis 1, I remained unconvinced that a non-concordist approach largely ceased at Genesis 2:4a."
Etiologinen lähestymistapa
Jumala soveltaa tekstiä
"This process of alternately immersing myself in an ancient paradigm and then viewing that paradigm from my modern perspective led me to accept the idea that God is an accommodationist more concerned about guiding his people into a closer relationship with him than the scientific accuracy of the paradigms he uses in doing so."
Kysymyksiä nousee Raamatun äärellä
"How extensive was God’s accommodation to his people?"
"As I began digging deeper into my biblical studies, I began recognizing scientifically inaccurate paradigms reflected through the Hebrew and Christian scriptures"
- ancient biology such as species immutability {Gen 1:11-12, 21, 24-25) and
- preformatism (Gen 11:30; 25:21; Luke 1:7),
- ancient taxonomy (Lev 11:13-19), and
- ancient botany (Mark 4:31).
"How much of a stretch would it be that God would communicate his truths using ancient anthropology?"
"Did it matter whether the biblical Adam truly existed?"
"Would Adam’s non-historicity demolish the need for Jesus Christ’s historical acts of sacrifice and redemption?"
Vastauksia UT:n ajan juutalaisuusten Raamatun tulkinnasta
"I found the answer to these questions in the hermeneutical practices of Second Temple Judaism."
"Early biblical interpreters—including the authors of the New Testament—chose their biblical texts selectively to support their theological themes."
"---two closely related approaches to interpreting Scripture common in Jesus’ day."
"In both of these, these interpreters would bring together different biblical texts in order to address contemporary issues, sometimes being extremely creative in the process (e.g., Paul’s apparently “inconsistent” use of Gen 13:14-16’s seed/offspring in Gal 3:16, 29)."
"Such appropriations and reinterpretations of Scripture were acceptable in Second Temple Judaism and, in some Jewish schools of thought, were just as authoritative as the texts from which they were derived."
Apostoli Paavali
Paul’s use of the Old Testament in his discussion of the first and last Adams (see 1 Cor 15; Rom 5, 8).
"Neither was Paul arguing to establish the reality of sin and death, for both were (and are) demonstrable givens."
"Rather, Paul was arguing for the necessity of Jesus Christ as a remedy for humanity’s enslavement to sin. Paul was arguing that Jesus’ indisputable defeat of death gives us hope that our “eternal life” will continue beyond the grave!"
joten missä Adam?
"I no longer believe that Adam and Eve as described in Genesis 2-3 actually existed. Just as I don’t believe certain elements of “biblical” cosmology actually exist (e.g., the firmament of Gen 1:6-8)"
"I believe a well-reasoned case can be made using both science and biblical hermeneutics that “biblical” anthropology is also inaccurate from a modern, scientific perspective."
Historiallinen
"That being said, I still embrace the concept of an “historical” Adam."
Synnin todellisuus
"We are born “innocent” (yet possessing the innate capacity for selfish behavior), we mature into an ability to make moral decisions, but we nevertheless rebel against God’s moral law. Whether one accepts the theological doctrine of Original Sin or (as I prefer) the scientific doctrine of Original Selfishness, the outcome remains identical: We are sinners in need of God."
Jeesusta tarvitaan
"Regardless of sin’s exact origin—whether via rebellion in the Garden of Eden or rebellion against God’s Moral Law as a species during humanity’s evolutionary development—I recognize that sin is still quite real. Its presence in the human species is universal. Its presence is observable and repeatable."
"And our individual and collective sin still requires a remedy: the historical Jesus of Nazareth."
Näin siis Mike Beidler.
*God and Nature is a publication of the American Scientific Affiliation (ASA), an international network of Christians in the sciences. Beidler kirjoittaa myös BioLogos sivulla
*God and Nature is a publication of the American Scientific Affiliation (ASA), an international network of Christians in the sciences. Beidler kirjoittaa myös BioLogos sivulla
Tuossa lauseessa "I no longer believe that Adam and Eve as described in Genesis 2-3 actually existed" on tärkeä kohta tuo "as described". Alkutekstissä se on harvennettu - ymmärrän sen tarkoittavan juuri sitä mikä muutenkin selviää artikkelissa, että Beidler ei usko syntiinlankeemuskertomuksen 'näyttämöön' ym. kirjaimellisesti, vaan näkee sen tosiasioiden kuvaamisena myyttisen aineksen avulla kuten myös C.S. Lewis:
VastaaPoistahttp://www.christianapologeticsalliance.com/2012/11/17/c-s-lewis-and-the-myth-of-creation-part-1/
Niinpä niin, jos sanoisin tuon edellä kuvatun ääneen Suomessa omana kantanani, saisin lopullisen tuomion kaikkien uskonkohtien kieltäjänä ja täydellisen epäluotettavana Raamatun selittäjänä. Niinpä yritän epätoivoisesti pitää kiinni Adamista ja Eevasta historiallisina henkilöinä ja samanaikaisesti pidän selviönä, että biologisesti olemme osa pitkää polveutumisketjua.
VastaaPoistaEhkä hyvä kerrata tässä yhteydessä: Denis Alexander esittelee siinä kirjassaan 'Creation or Evolution, do we have to choose' erilaisia näkemyksiä tähän kysymykseen, ja hänen suosikkinsa tuntuu olevan 'model C':
VastaaPoistaAccording to model C, God in His Grace chose a couple of neolithic farmers in the near East, or maybe a community of farmers, to whom He chose to reveal himself in a special way, calling them into fellowship with himself.... Adam and Eve, in this view, were real people, living in a particular historical era and geographical location, chosen by God to be representatives of his new humanity on earth, not by virtue of anything that they had done but simply by God's grace...
Lopuksi vaihtoehtoja vertaillessaan Denis Alexander sanoi: 'I do not know if model C is correct. But for myself I am happy to use it as a working model, and if a better mode comes along I will readily discard C an adopt the new one...'
Thanks, Hannu, this is my model as well - before a better one comes along...
VastaaPoistaIt's been a pleasure to read this discussion about my article! :)
VastaaPoistaI read your article again, and still like it. Robin Collins has interesting articles also, maybe you have read?
Poistahttp://biologos.org/blogs/ted-davis-reading-the-book-of-nature/series/evolution-and-original-sin-by-robin-collins
We have been quiet here for some time, partly because the starter of this blog, Mikko Louhivuori, died last autumn.
Mikko was a Finn, like us others, but lived in Israel. He has english blogs too.
http://utourguide.blogspot.fi
These are difficult questions, even painful. Who and where was the first human being? And how he differed from his parents :-) I think there has to be 'the first human being' anyway, a being who will stand before God one day ...
Hannu Tiihonen
Helsinki
Finland