tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2511448945079403590.post6507317433723192242..comments2022-04-10T12:37:59.594+03:00Comments on Missä sinä olet, Aadam?: Mike Beidler ja historiallinen AadamAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04690494548814761204noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2511448945079403590.post-32373018130077506952017-04-29T00:34:07.916+03:002017-04-29T00:34:07.916+03:00I read your article again, and still like it. Robi...I read your article again, and still like it. Robin Collins has interesting articles also, maybe you have read?<br /><br />http://biologos.org/blogs/ted-davis-reading-the-book-of-nature/series/evolution-and-original-sin-by-robin-collins <br /><br />We have been quiet here for some time, partly because the starter of this blog, Mikko Louhivuori, died last autumn. <br />Mikko was a Finn, like us others, but lived in Israel. He has english blogs too.<br /><br />http://utourguide.blogspot.fi<br /><br />These are difficult questions, even painful. Who and where was the first human being? And how he differed from his parents :-) I think there has to be 'the first human being' anyway, a being who will stand before God one day ...<br /><br />Hannu Tiihonen<br />Helsinki<br />Finland<br />Hannu Tiihonenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05358460543896718954noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2511448945079403590.post-52643517844565968882017-04-28T06:36:28.977+03:002017-04-28T06:36:28.977+03:00It's been a pleasure to read this discussion a...It's been a pleasure to read this discussion about my article! :)Mike Beidlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10404666980227401390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2511448945079403590.post-90326450760818197462014-12-01T17:46:28.393+02:002014-12-01T17:46:28.393+02:00Thanks, Hannu, this is my model as well - before a...Thanks, Hannu, this is my model as well - before a better one comes along...Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06809790320555443199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2511448945079403590.post-83338112522690230982014-12-01T17:25:40.662+02:002014-12-01T17:25:40.662+02:00Ehkä hyvä kerrata tässä yhteydessä: Denis Alexande...Ehkä hyvä kerrata tässä yhteydessä: Denis Alexander esittelee siinä kirjassaan 'Creation or Evolution, do we have to choose' erilaisia näkemyksiä tähän kysymykseen, ja hänen suosikkinsa tuntuu olevan 'model C':<br /><br />According to model C, God in His Grace chose a couple of neolithic farmers in the near East, or maybe a community of farmers, to whom He chose to reveal himself in a special way, calling them into fellowship with himself.... Adam and Eve, in this view, were real people, living in a particular historical era and geographical location, chosen by God to be representatives of his new humanity on earth, not by virtue of anything that they had done but simply by God's grace...<br /><br />Lopuksi vaihtoehtoja vertaillessaan Denis Alexander sanoi: 'I do not know if model C is correct. But for myself I am happy to use it as a working model, and if a better mode comes along I will readily discard C an adopt the new one...'<br /><br /><br /><br />Hannu Tiihonenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05358460543896718954noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2511448945079403590.post-81509987450129623712014-12-01T16:54:38.251+02:002014-12-01T16:54:38.251+02:00Niinpä niin, jos sanoisin tuon edellä kuvatun ääne...Niinpä niin, jos sanoisin tuon edellä kuvatun ääneen Suomessa omana kantanani, saisin lopullisen tuomion kaikkien uskonkohtien kieltäjänä ja täydellisen epäluotettavana Raamatun selittäjänä. Niinpä yritän epätoivoisesti pitää kiinni Adamista ja Eevasta historiallisina henkilöinä ja samanaikaisesti pidän selviönä, että biologisesti olemme osa pitkää polveutumisketjua.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06809790320555443199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2511448945079403590.post-52566201997802471512014-12-01T16:29:15.940+02:002014-12-01T16:29:15.940+02:00Tuossa lauseessa "I no longer believe that Ad...Tuossa lauseessa "I no longer believe that Adam and Eve as described in Genesis 2-3 actually existed" on tärkeä kohta tuo "as described". Alkutekstissä se on harvennettu - ymmärrän sen tarkoittavan juuri sitä mikä muutenkin selviää artikkelissa, että Beidler ei usko syntiinlankeemuskertomuksen 'näyttämöön' ym. kirjaimellisesti, vaan näkee sen tosiasioiden kuvaamisena myyttisen aineksen avulla kuten myös C.S. Lewis: <br />http://www.christianapologeticsalliance.com/2012/11/17/c-s-lewis-and-the-myth-of-creation-part-1/Hannu Tiihonenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05358460543896718954noreply@blogger.com